Gilbert’s Bar House of Refuge

let's get our meeting started so Sandy can get to work up here and show you her wonderful pictures um this is a new year it is also the 25th anniversary of the museum so as the year goes on we will have events celebrating that and it's hard to believe it's been 25 years but it has um the newsletter is on its way we hope we have gone with a new company and I had technical difficulties with all the computers printers everything at my end and so it is as much my fault as it is the guy that's getting it out but it will get to you and we do have a nice crowd so I

appreciate all of you coming without a reminder um we were a little panicked because it didn't get out but um next month we will have Marion Carpenter the former principal of the Port Salon Elementary here and the newsletter will be out to tell you when it is it is actually the second Tuesday of every month at seven o'clock it's been like a rough month for the membership um in December and January we lost many of our valued members last month we lost Bob Green who was really really a big at the Museum years ago of course he hasn't been available for several years and we you know we've had Foods Dr Snipes who's been to

every meeting that I can remember a lot of valuable people that we miss but Saturday night we lost Jimmy Crawford and his wife Nancy is one of our wonderful volunteers and it was very unexpected and quite a blow it hasn't been in the paper yet but all of you say well please just make it a good year for us let's bring Nancy I'm Nancy Nancy he's gonna do a wonderful program for us and we have heard of us for sale we have just some more tonight I'll be back out at the table and we have a lot more at the Museum if you haven't been to the museum like please come in we're having coffee

in the morning and donuts if Bob Walker doesn't get there and eat them all before the rest of them anyway we will turn it over to Sandy and let her tell you about her wonderful new book this is my candidate's work I was at the side so I couldn't tell um the newsletter is not coming out I do want us to say thank you to my Hardware who did newsletters for years and years through prep two pregnancies she's kids and it just got to be to be but we were so lucky to have those newsletters all those years it really helped us build up these audiences and so it was light up really one of

our our youngest people that was involved in the book of the museum so she should be thanked uh I have been so interested in the House of Refuge ever since I've wanted myself for history at that time there was like only one history lady it was me and I felt and now we have two at least and then we also have a history man it's wonderful to have others that have dealt deeply deeply like I feel like I have for the last 25 almost 30 years so uh it was always the subject dear to my heart because our house is a refuge Refuge one standing I'm sure you know that if you don't know it

you better just put it in your head and keep it forever because that's a very special thing that we have in our County we have Josh Butler on a Martin County high school graduate the front row but he is in charge well he doesn't like to stay in the charge he's in charge of archives he has a what is your title I'm the historian and collections manager for the historical society and museum at the Lighthouse and he has a lighthouse I am so jealous okay so people uh I realized I've written a scholarly article for the historical orderly it took me a whole year uh but and I just given to dog and Tony shows

this is all up and down the coast but I I just felt like if I could do an Arcadia book I would reach a lot more people than I've ever reached so uh when Alice and I were considering to do a local history books to our India's Publishing Company uh I thought this is my chance and made a proposal to treat all of the houses uh up and down February 10. tell your vowels my daughter-in-law and Deanna Thurlow and I did this book just on Gilbert's Farmhouse over it she designed it and I collected and put in the information Tom my husband paid for it and we gave it to the history of one to

the historical classified to Farmington County all of it it's theirs to sell not mine and the picture on the front was taken by my son Todd burlow and so it was really a family affair a gift of Martin Kemp but it was just on our Gilbert's Bar House of Refuge the last one Stanley so Deanna my daughter-in-law in Cameron did a map for this Arcadian book and it gets a little convoluted because we included uh other life saving stations one in South Carolina and the one other life saving station decides to do your life saving station that was in Florida and I'll explain why we did that later more about them that way okay Arcadia

so I say I make this proposal I want it to be about Florida thousands of pregnancy the first thing they told me you cannot name Florida's houses of refuge that'll be confusing you know houses of refuge they might people might think you know it's all in the shelter or something and they said no you know and they are Professionals in doing books and distributing and knowing they're public they're reading public the public that likes pictures and that includes us all doesn't it I must have 30 Arcadia books on my shop so we called it instead the U.S life-saving service Florida's East Coast and then we had so much struggle getting a picture that passed the

grade for the front because it has to be grab your eye and it has to tell a story that's being clear and so we have life saving service and on the boat can anybody read what's on the phone U.S Coast Guard so okay now the floor about that later so Dr Bannon is my idol he is very truffling very frail now but he is a premier historian of Florida history numerous books and his last one was like uh the all of Florida history in uh in 40 minutes 45 minutes and it had a CD in it I mean he coaches everybody and he is the voice of uh the the history at the University of

Florida he is they're pretty more Premier historian he's retired now he started out a Catholic priest a very interesting man very scholarly but he came and spoke at the Blake Library and he gave a list of things for his stories and researchers and one of them was to make friends with your archiving and another one was stay alert to Serendipity I won't go through all of them but to me staying alert to Serendipity is a way of life and you just never know what is going to happen in our lives and the Curious coincidences in place so a few of them are involved in me getting to do this oh okay one of the serendipitous

things is Jamie Gould and there's some some Jayden ghoul's father actually went to Stuart High School when she started doing interviews with local history interviews uh it was really damn the Lockhart was one of the earliest ones Alice's mother-in-law but they she had known uh Jamie Gould's father when he foreign Steward but he became a lawyer and he went to Europe Vero Beach and but Jamie girl has been a fish and wtcs she's retired from that now but she got into this program called uh we're recording everybody's life stories and turning him over to the Library of Congress but she did these Florida Frontier students for the Florida historical society that took her things from

her local store program was Florida days but so I'm listening to these uh recordings and I hear her interviewing someone who said that they were the grandchild of a house of refugee for her and here I have been doing it for 20 years at least maybe 25 and I thought I'd never heard of this person who how could this be and so I called Jamie and she said oh yes she looked along and I have her phone number and this had been three years previous so I have a caller and this cute little boy's answers and she's just a perky wonderful person and Tom and I visited her and she had additional photographs uh of

the Todd family when Captain Samuel baton was uh at the House of Refuge at mosquito Lagoon and when I just said Captain like my co-author Tim Green is a retired Navy man come uh Commander Reserve Navy man and his one of his main features in doing the book I mean he gave so much photographs and advice but he would make shake me up and misusing titles and he told me I could not call them captain or Hebrews and I shouldn't just say keep her Samuel and for all the different Coast Guard uh ranks and all thank goodness he was my co-author because he knew all that stuff and I do so Jamie Gould happened to

listen to it and this is little little prayer Prado Prada and uh here are some pictures of this guy knows the life he gets the book The Life of the lighthouse Society book was Vincent's falling the life of the book the magazine digest and then someone had found this picture on a postcard and they said does anybody know what's going on and so between Alice and Josh it got um you know answered because it was one of the photographs in this book and one that the catons had given but we had never had a picture of our Keeper in a youthful uniform that just shows you how precious they are here we had 10 houses

of rapid and did not have a good picture of a keeper in uniform s uh so this is Tim drain and it was also serendipitous that made a connection because uh the U.S life-saving historical Association met here High because it's warm and one of the people on the board had the mother that lives in the area and so they were down here having their annual meeting at they were really in at the West Best Western yes the old Holiday Inns were this day but um they asked me to give two talks because you know I just made myself ignore me and so um I gave to talk but Tom and I also joined in their

all their field trips and it really I saw a lot of things I've never seen before it's really nice but in during this time Tim Graves that oh I have this additional photograph s with National Archives and I think we've been to the National Archives three friends have been that now artifacts we have looked and look for photographs how can this be but he did he had additional photographs and that made this book possible along with their products this is one of my favorites um it was 1935 and in my in our book you know you use your different uh reference material to um make these cook conclusions about days and in our yoga's bar

home of history book I did have and I think a 35 that they built this boat house and did these sisters but here we have a photograph of the actual construction the cisterns aren't even there yet and look at this road We complain about opinion and we just got the parking lot improved with a big pieces of lumber or or like telephone bowls holding back rubs thank you but this obviously is stuffed in and so it's narrow but it is used to be even narrower and you do know that this is when they move the house about 30 feet toward the River from the ocean and if you go to the house of Revenue you'd

see that they've done that in the bricks they've made the outline of the house so you can see exactly where it stood before it was moved to the West this is the way those pictures some of them from the National Archives look and you just don't realize how exciting to someone like me and Josh and Alice when you oops I've met the points when you have something like this written on the picture exactly the date and they gave them little threes triplicates quite a few of them but they had information right on them and that was so helpful because you and um and I'm going back to the picture we used on the color that

was such a process I submitted several photographs but they're just so precious that and rare that we didn't have one that had a picture of the House of Ricky in something going on in it other than that and this was tiny tiny picture and Jim green had a researcher Candice Clifford who was going to the National Archives and she had been hired to scan these photographs that sharing with me she didn't scan this one at a high enough resolution to be put on the cover so I asked her please are you going back and she don't know miles away from archives and I don't think I'm going to go back then she did go back

and she couldn't find it and then finally she found it and finally she scanned it at a high enough resolution and it too had IQ right on this is one from Susan Johnson Susan Hall Johnson and Jennifer and Jennifer her daughter is here would you stand up Jennifer please this is Jennifer straussian major copies that way and then we thought oh no we want better copies and so we say Jennifer can you find them and you go into storage she has gone into storage a couple times and I I'm honestly think they would have been in this place because of our persistence but they're going to be found again but she went back and we

this is um an example of Fred Hall's pictures taken when he was in World War one out at the House of Refuge and they are doing a practice sessions with the richest bullied and this is something that you did not do at a House of Refuge but at a coast guard station so this this little cock is more about doing the book it may be a little bit confusing about the different services and I'll try to clear out a few things okay so when he was at the House of Refuge it was a coast guard station in 1950 when the Coast Guard was formed from the revenue kind of service and the life saving Service

uh there was a new service and it was a postcard and that was 1915 but there was some years of transformation and for instance the the keeper of Gilbert Spartacus who stayed there with his wife and they just got an approved for the first time so The Arcadian book covers houses of refuge and postcard stations and that's the way we ended up having uh enough photographs to tell uh to to produce an Arcadia so on the top uh that's an example of a House of Refuge but on the bottom we included a unless they're like okay this is the first I um life-saving station that was built in Charleston and you say why in the

world are you up in Charleston the reason I got the Charleston is that we were in the district the life-saving service was very bureaucratic and very uh leveled it had you know at different levels and districts and we were first in District Seven and we had district superintendent and in District superintendent was in the district seven was Charleston and at first they had it gets a little confusing they'd had their life-saving station on North Island which is one side of the channel and then uh when the shipping channel changed they put it on Sullivan's Island so it gets a little confusing but both of those this is the original one and this is the original

one at Santa Rosa and that's up in the Florida span handle and that was not in our district so we didn't have the same people involved but how could I even out when there was only one other life-saving facility in Florida so and this is this is Josh's area this is the Jupiter life saving station yeah okay Tim Curry as I said he just knows he knew everything about boats if he's joking with like these this picture of the book about this is all Florida archives and he knew exactly what that was because it's in the New River and it was the uh the Fort Lauderdale House of Refuge and he uh in this boat

he knew exactly he has done a great big uh academic book on boats and it's done to the Florida presence and every one of them is listed for the number so it's really he was an interesting person to have to work with the hospital so I'm saying just remember that you can't know what to expect next and so this is something that's been bugging me we had this beautiful Margaret we used to be distorted it out but on it and you cannot even necessarily believe these great big metal right so I've been talking about Tim and love what it says sure so that bothered me but I wanted to find a lot of information on

the 12th hour House of Refuge which was Malabar Cape Malabar House of Beverage I wasn't really successful and when you're in this uh hobby of ours like Allison Josh and me uh you uh make all these these connections and you have these history buddies and I had a busy buddy Fred Hopwood who lived near Melbourne and I never met him face to face but we had a very heavy correspondence many years and he told me that he had a hundred pages on the Malabar House of Refuge and so when he died I just don't know what happened to it so I was um so this is what I'm saying it lasts about five years and

uh so here you can see it right on this map here it is House of Refuge okay but I haven't photographed I wanted uh portraits of the keeper uh it was named Hopkins and his wife had a number of children and actually died after childbirth while uh he was a keeper at the House of Refuge so I didn't want it just to be forgotten so I there is this doctoral dissertation done by Miss Jennifer do I have her name here McKinnon and uh it is not available in anything but online and but she had an appointment that said that Fred Hopkins papers were at the New Smyrna Historical Society so I called them so I

call and I say well I've seen this reference that you have the information from Fred Hopper and uh she said oh we only have a volunteer architis and he only comes on Wednesday and and I said you would I'll just tell you why I have fallen and I told her and she said well I have a connection with houses of refuge so she trust me that this is her father grandfather this is her grandfather and I'm very familiar with him because he was from Charleston he was from Sullivan's Island and he had been a keeper at Bethel Creek which is Vero Beach and it's just a letter that out here I'm joking around but this

is her brother the lady that answered the phone this is her brother Tom and I visited them when we went to see the the life-saving station in Selma's Island we sat on his porch and we got this photograph of her grandfather when we visited so I already had that photograph I didn't have the one of the man in his uniform or that picture of Vincent but such a coincidence I mean just a call out of the globe in this connection so she was able to purchase a couple more pictures for the book but such a coincidence and this is a a letter that we got from the National Archives that I I had um shared

with their family and this is what her grandfather said he said in 1905 he said that the skis here are simply unfavorable I cannot bring my wife and baby to such a place nor can I stay alone so that's the way life was that these houses of refuge and he just didn't want to be down here he'd go back to Sullivan's Island many of the people who were on the crew itself were our Keepers in our district 7 and I-10 houses so this is another Serendipity story I don't think Martin came didn't uh our our neighbor Bill Rob's brother would have been up into Charleston with his wife and Bill said no Marty saw something

that said go to our house of Refuge when he looked at a Showcase in the customs house in Charleston I thought hmm that's really strange so when we went to Charleston we started to look for this and they had a couple of custom houses but here's Tom looking at the Showcase at that oh there were so many papers for the House of Refuge beautiful and the life-saving service so many figures but not many photographs because everyone that served had to take that over the practically every year so you have a lot of those those floating around and who was stuck with Axel Johansson so here this runs around this is the picture another Sarah W

story of Josephine and John Taylor now John Taylor was our first representative in Martin County and Josephine was um you know the daughter of Walter kitchen our Merchant uh grocery man and and uh to learn the community that's always still standing over online Atlanta Avenue but when she got married they had their honeymoon out and out as a refuge and drinking friends and this is the art about these fancy clothes like you're going to you know on the Safari or something but so this is the picture taking at that time and our uh historicals borrowed the wedding dress of Josephine and then her granddaughters and daughters also had warned but it was on display I

left the LDS and they had this little album that Josephine had made when she was there and so when they decided to take the wedding dress down it was getting too stressed uh my friend Jennifer Richard I said please give me the album back so it gave the album back and so Joe Marie called up she said Sandra weren't you wanting a picture of the Joe Johnson and all along there had been one in that book that she had so this is Captain Axel Johansson who's within Charleston and it was really his wife that was so intriguing to me because they were married she grew up at a House of Refuge and he was a

shipwreck Survivor who came to their house of record at Chester Scholl and then they were married and so her whole life was in houses of refuge and I never had a picture of her until Joey was final gave this to me so so back to Sarah Palo so you can hear her with her of her family and who are the good times so this is his show Ellen katant who lives here and he had already given me some photographs of the batons because he lived on in this house on California Street it's now owned by Michael and Mary Brown it was pink for last now it's lovely turquoise matches my outline somewhere but uh when

Ellen lived in it it was had a screen Forge and he was The Bachelor and he had all these albums and things out on the porch and I was a nuisance and I said Owen could I take these albums and come and make copies of your photographs and I did I used my 35 millimeter camera on my stand and made copies of the pictures that are will show them later but this is his family home and this is his father who grew up at a House of Refuge the one on the front of the boat and actually uh hit Harold the photographer the dad kind of ran away he was so afraid that he was

going to be trapped as a House of Refuge number and his dad had been lost six that time and he had had to take over so he kind of sealed away and he went to Fort Pierce first and then he came to Stewart and then his parents ended up retiring would follow him but um that's the Carol and his son Elwood and these are two of the pictures they're quite famed but to have these pictures of everyday life in a House of Records they're the only ones I think pathetic and so between Sarahs and between otherwise L and have given me there's quite a few showing everyday life so we have a chapter on the

good times and a chapter on the hall pictures from the Coast Guard days so here elephant comes I'm just telling her a little about these families and um and stupid Joe left and he's the one that skinned all these people he had to go and so so uh Harold had the like the first um on a machine shop but kind of uh you know brush for automobiles because if automobiles were just getting in in use locally and he bought a car that had such live Wheels like a wagon that he could navigate the roads and what this picture is I think is the steward Amy Road the Indian Town Road down Canada Highway and he

was taking Mr bintel on a trip to Indian Town politics but I just thought it was surprised to share but he tried some happening it's an old term for uh being like a taxi driver okay yeah and that's my first Dream is he sent what he said we have a thing reported and that's where he said that okay all these tape recordings that were made in 1960 that that's a direct quote I'm here uh I don't think that I was hoping that that definitely be able to come tonight but this is a picture from him uh he's the Pioneer Family and so this little girl ended up marrying Carol the Thomas the one that ran

away from the House of Refuge and she's the daughter of McPherson's old family homesteads where our hospital is and this is what um this is I just took these the other day like a week ago that this is where uh Cara their first home and uh this is where uh the oldest child Elma was born and it's still very it looks pretty huge I mean and this is we use this scripture uh the woman he married uh um and uh you know is became so much a fixture of the community and her picture is if you go and play the library there's very same pictures on the wall because she was an early person around

the library when he was in the wall and stuff okay so this decision Sarah the woman who's now 93. when she's visiting here and this is Samuel's house this is what we call a Sam Porter Ranch and on it here this is women of the world so this is Woodland Hall that we're all familiar with you see that big white uh foxy building that's by the selfish Circle so that was good in the policy you know it's your orientation there and then right hand corner is where they bought and he had the first printed press that we had in town is called the craft uh printing company uh and yes I took this just here

today this is the location but that was where in the Baptist church across the winter okay and many people in this room who are Alzheimer's would now apply he was more well-known in the community you know we start plumbing and It's a Wonderful sailor and they had a beautiful home on any Street of all things through to both of them and his daughter has just sold it and left camera everybody okay here's a picture of red ball and he's popping at home in this picture with the picnic things and these are candles of the pictures of that Susan shared the one I already showed him and this one is in my book story on the

St Lucie and this is uh and here is your judges laugh but this is his relative Susan's grandmother when um my children were young but not in season's very mother Jennifer's grandmother when my children were young she was very much a part of Jennifer's wife Ruth Hall and uh this I just thought was a perfect picture for my vote because its name is Stuart and this picture in here I was hoping Joe would be here who's a doctor if I got this wrong but maybe Jennifer if I got this wrong but uh it was identified as uh Lily why who would have been RuPaul's mother and this is the house where Jennifer lived as a

little girl and uh for many Christmas bodies in their house and these were supplied by the batons who scan everything and I mean I love art the love hearts who um scan everything and uh they illustrate some of uh Fred Hall's Witnesses and so every time we go into one of those restaurants across from Memorial Park and uh that Plaza was built by him and he also was one of the founders of the modern American Golf Course when they brought it you'll be able to read about these in the newspaper without too so and here is Jennifer's mother Susan and she passed an auditorium name for her at the college and the wonderful lady died

much I just couldn't believe it was that long ago when I wrote this and that the captions and so these this is Jennifer's daughter and she didn't get to come tonight but they have been helping three generations of these women have been helping me with my a package of pictures through the year years so back to the the and I think I kind of wore you out it's not too bad um but here you see that this is uh to show you that above Sullivan's Island that that is now opposed to station and that um Denise with the tin that go down the coast and this one is just stuck on here for extra and

uh yeah now I have to have a little bit about the life-saving service it was uh really uh envisioned by Senator Kimball he was a uh at the head of it the whole time he retired from it when the Coast Guard was started in 1950s and he was you know elderly then but he did about 1923. uh and this is why we had houses of refuge this was a speech before Congress on the coast of Florida when vessel strand they used to become well up to shore so that saver is fine a little difficulty reaching land until of late however these Shores are almost uninhabited and Mariners cast upon them were exposed to the Terrace

of starvation and thirst so houses of refuge we're not life-saving stations there weren't enough people here to demand improve and luckily we didn't really have to have a crew because people use it to get to store but it was such a Wilderness that you needed somebody here to uh to give them supper and and put them up and get them back to civilization here are our first lighthouses of refuge and they were numbered from one to five starting in Vero Beach and of course it wasn't fairly soon uh until down on keep this up on the same thing and then we had the five more plus the life saving station in Jupiter Josh's area but

we don't even have pictures of these during their house over at beach era but here this one is uh West right at the Fort Pierce inland and it was in the second series and the one on the front that I've been talking so much that was in the second series and this is was the original Morse Island so then this is I had to pay 70 dollars for these images are uh so I didn't get high enough resolution for uh the one in Santa Rosa um it had to be replaced because it was damaged in a hurricane okay this is the one on Sullivan's Island and we took that picture when we visited it now

it's a part of it's been in the store and is something from history it's not and this one is a ranger station you know the one up in research all of the houses of refuge and the life saving stations are public land now and parks and such okay you've already said that okay this is to let you know these are there were eight still standing and they became Coast Guard Station so that's the connection why we have both the Coast Guard and the life-saving in this book and it tells about that era and of course during the wars World War one and World War II there was um Beach Patrol and security and also boat

rescue this one did not pass the grade of being the president of resolution it was one of my favorite but because this is saving it for Fears and this is the replace tonight postcard station they left they used to they all House of Refuge for a while but then they built this in 1937. and uh there's a guy in the middle oh sorry guys well this one is Culpepper it's cheap and he already had all of his crew during World War II and uh the uh Coast Guard been had really kind of palatial situation you know they had a building and real rooms and all the young people in Fort Pierce were intense it was

like a huge huge City because that's the first place of the um underwater dental medicine and broadband so just put this in that uh like tempering your exactly this vote and this is called pepper that was in the center and he was at our house of refuge and he was the one that was there in 1935 when they had the preacher there and the bottom floor fell through and they decided they needed to restore the house they're going to fit away from the ocean so that was that era and then I don't know some of you may know uh who I knew that Delton Walker was but surely felt that heard their father was her

big friend and she told me a lot about spending the night at the house of reviews and how Shirley came to school sometimes in the postcard quote and this picture you can tell was taken right in front of the brick of house Jensen and so there are other things that would interest people that um just generally this is a keeper that died in service his son's arm was cut off by but not by a shark and there were doctors so this one like Tim said oh that's all about the motorcycle Patrol Patrol and it didn't work but they did try it and this is a wonderful photograph of a postgarden and he happens to be

from a Pioneer Family in Fort Lauderdale so the caption will explain that and then the pain death by hanging the only one that we have anything like that uh this guy was run running he killed three of the men when they boarded his boat he had a gun it's just like today you have a gun through trouble you're deranged you shoot these people so he ended up being calm and this is his uh his board his deathborne I put in the book and uh he was um uh you know um and he he committed the murders in 27 but the song December 20. uh 29 the courthouse didn't want the County government didn't want anything

to do with this this was just Federal Way of Tourism and they did not want to be the one but and he needed to be pumped where he was arrested and came to shore so and the where that is now my kids just went through Rock concert and this is where the House of Refuge once stood right across from Miami to that concert and that was taken by my son-in-law's cell phone before Christmas and I thought that really tells you how things have changed most of those questions thank you so much despite that much but thank you for your attention I think okay it was longer than I should have done for him oh it

does anybody have a question I'm a question about where is mosquito Laguna um Oak Hill is this little town that's across from it but it's now in Canaveral National Seashore oh it is you go past you know it's near Daytona but then you go for this East and go through and you pass turtle mount and they took over all these little towns like Eldora and Shiloh and they're inside the National Seashore and then they just have the site of us the mosquito looking but one thing that is so funny most of these houses of refuge had Century plants planted there and they often took pictures in front of the century plants they are now an

invasive species in the National Seashore and even in Fort Pierce you can see see them there you see that's where that's correct it's right behind the field museum and area in that parking lot s I know your book is about Florida but do they go any further north so we have our life saving uh stations all over the country hundreds of them and they are many of them are preserved and it's a very wonderful history and much more easy to gather they're all around the Great Lakes they're on both coast and that was the very important and they're all separate from the lighthouse yes once and and Josh might probably be we have the lice

Lighthouse service and then the life-saving services it's very confusing and then you probably could help me then the Coast Guard took over at the Lighthouse service at Josh so the the Coast Guard was formed in 1915 with the Revenue Service and the life-saving service the White House service stayed separate at that time and then in 1939 he merged with the Coast Guard so a lot of times the life-saving service is considered the sister service to the life Lighthouse service because both started as a civilian agency and are both now part of the Coast Guard thank you this is the lighthouse and go back oh here's just one more question um basically I thought you said

something I just wanted to confirm are all the locations of the houses of refuge did you say they're all public lands now so there's no hotels or anything oh no no hotels but they're um at least part of it is like in Miami Beach there is a park but it was I'm sure the Atlant was a larger than that Park is today but there is a park where the House of Refuge stood on keep disconnecting and it is so funny it's like my it's like Fort Lauderdale I mean you would never dream it but it's fun to look at my book and see what they look like and then know what it's like when you

go to Miami Beach now on Collins Avenue uh and and my son Todd he has a wonderful speak up talk about ourselves control right oh see this would be on the unappropriate Chester show is very interesting because we're in the House of Refuge stood is where the space shuttle is shot off right it's the pad you know but then that's you know that's I I call that public it's government land we can't go don't have access just readily to the Space Center but it's tough um I know a lot of the House of the original houses of refuge some fell think that the hurricanes and fire and so forth was their effort to save any

of the last surviving ones like Indian River Inlet which I know was there for World War II or did we just got lucky here in Morgan County see there's just so much sitting and in the in the book there was a picture of what they used the underwater demolition training they had all these like um obstacle courses and everything and there's a picture I put in the book it was hard to get uh of the men all sitting they did this like big timing device over at the old house of Refuge it was a part of their obstacle course and then they took this picture of them all sitting on it and I thought that

had to be in the book and it is but it was hard to get a copy that was but in it but we have that but that's what happened to it and then you know they were always like blowing out things during when they were practicing there and at that time doing more time okay thank you oh folks are for sale out there your excuse me